Sheikh Cameron in Indonesia- Democracy by the barrel of a Gun

By Majed Iqbal- David Cameron’s Far-East trip hit headlines today across all major news sites as he delivered a Speech at an Islamic university in Jakarta in the worlds largest Muslim populated country.

Cameron was forthright in teaching Indonesia’s 240 million population what ‘Real Islam’ was all about. Making reference to the rise of Islamic Parties in the Middle East, Post-Arab Spring he said

“If Indonesia can succeed, it can lead the world in showing how democracy can offer an alternative to the dead-end choice of dictatorship or extremism,”

He said “extremists were trying to turn Islam into a ‘closed and warped ideology’, opposed to democracy.”

He went further to discuss the way forward for the Muslim world by highlighting his recent credentials in discussing Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) on Politics, State and Governance. He said

“What Indonesia shows is that in the world’s largest Muslim-majority country, it is possible to reject this extremist threat and prove that democracy and Islam can flourish alongside each other.”

Whilst his scripted speeches and ability to reference Islam may startle some, it is a great show of Hypocrisy that the British Prime Minister speaks about Democracy, the dove of peace, whilst flying in with some of Britain’s leading defence manufacturers to sell some of the “best defence equipment in the world”. In a similar fashion, Cameron’s visit to Egypt straight after the Arab spring was paraded with 38 Corporate Executives, of which 8 were arms contractors.

So equating Democracy with peace and nation building is not exactly what it says on the tin label. Colonial adventures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and decades of interference in the Middle east, supporting tyrannical regimes, co-operating fully in extraordinary rendition in secret locations across the world and manipulating British politics with cosy relations with Media Tycoons are not credentials that Cameron should be promoting or boasting about on his visits abroad as a standard for any society really.

As far as Islam and Democracy is concerned, Islam has its own unique form of governance which is meeting a growing demand for its re-implementation, across the muslim world. This is called Khilafah, which has its own elections to select a ruler to implement Islam, which gives women a role in Political life, which integrates minorities to feel proud of their identities and puts forward a case for true economic prosperity where those with money are unable to influence Politics, laws and ownership of select resources.

The Islamic System, Khilafah, is therefore neither a Democracy or a dictatorship and Muslims worldwide refuse to get caught into the promoted international black and white Political norms as Cameron attempted to do.

David Cameron, his party, the opposition  as well as the entire Capitalist system need to look at the utter Financial and Global Destruction they have bought by promoting militant ideas of democracy by the barrel of a gun, before taking the opportunity to lecture others on what their faith is all about.



  1. the khilafa ensure that women are underrepresented in all professions incuding politics because the primary role of women is set at home in the house.

    the khilafa doesnt stimulate minorities to feel pride…it urges all ppl to emrace islam and become part of the majority ….conformity

    the khilafa gives ppl different status and rights within their own country depending on what religion they have…this is shameful

    • majedsblog says:

      Julia, Its surprising to see how muslims are being lectured on their faith by people who don’t even subscribe to or have knowledge of Islam. Please can you validate your comments based on evidences derived from the Quran and Sunnah (Prophetic teachings).

      Please don’t ascribe things to people or religions that are factually incorrect to promote your own ideals which are minimised through viewing the world through your own secular spectacles.

      Your previous comment also failed to highlight how Western Colonialism has seen outright rejection and hatred. So why is it that Muslims are still muslims today in lands, opened to Islam historically, despite living 1000’s of miles away from where Islam initially began?

  2. Majed:

    some simple questions then:

    -does not islam give women a primary role in the home? This will automatically mean that men dominate the workplaces.

    -is it not a goal in islam to bring all ppl into islam…hardly the same as instilling a pride in minorities….Once you have made a minority stop being a minority you havent exactly saved it.

    -Are not non-believers given a different status and different rights from muslims in a khilafa?

    Muslims are still muslims you say? Well of course…once you make people into yourself they are permanently robbed of their culture and identity. This is what happened to north-africans…even to the extent that their languages and religion and culture were replaced with arabic, arab religion and arab culture. Even to the extent that they often call themselves arabs :) That they have been assimilated doesnt mean that conquering them was morally right. It was morally wrong. All conquest of other ppl and their land is morally wrong. This is what muslims dont understand.
    The romans did the same for example i France. They assimilated the french into the roman empire and wiped out the old frankish culture and language…..even though the french today speak a latin language and live a culture that they are happy with it does not make the initial conquest morally right. It was not. Nor was the conquests in north africa right even if it was made by Mohammed or his successors.

    • majedsblog says:

      Julia- you have not provided any evidence from the Islamic Sources upon which Islam is based to substantiate your accusations against Islam.

      If you can’t provide this then it raises questions on where you are getting your information from.

      What’s happened to the occupying French forces In Africa today? Are they wanted back by the people? What about Iraq and Afghanistan? Do people in pakistan want continued US Presence?

      Western colonialism in its Miltary, economic and political form are not welcome anywhere and neither have the people affected by it ever accepted such endeavours.

      Please re-read Islamic history again with correct references and the orientalist rubbish written to distort the real facts about Islamic civilisation.

  3. Majed:

    you know as well as i do that islam makes the man the primary provider of the family. While a woman CAN work she does not have the same obligation to do so as the man does. This ensures that men will dominate pretty much all professions including politics. Making it sound like the Khilafa will bring more women into politics is rather meaningless.

    As for minorities in the Khilafa it doesnt matter if its religious minorities or homosexuals…they simply dont have the same rights as muslim citizens. Can a homosexual have a legal sexlife? No. Can an atheist become head of state? No. You dont need to look at orientalism, just look at historical texts. Ahmad Ubaidly and Charles Melville have for example gathered all written texts from Al Andalus. Did you know for example that only non-muslims could for a long period clean up after market because the work was demmed below muslims?

    Any collonialism is unwelcome. Even though the french today speak a latin language and live in the continuity of culture that arose in Roman europe…the pre-roman french didnt wish to be assimilated. The peoples of north-africa didnt want to be assimilated after a military arab conquest. What muslims are saying is that because the conqueror was named Mohamed or because the conquerors wanted to spread islam this somehow makes conquering other ppls and their lands more justified. Do you know how many conquerors have thought like this? Its wrong and this is what you have lost sight of. The people in north africa didnt deserve being conquered by Mohameds succesors…that has nothing to do with what ppl in north africa thinks 1300 years later (or with what ppl in france thinks today). The original deeds were bad….conquering other ppls is always bad. If you cant see that….of course people should be afraid of you.

    • majedsblog says:

      Once again Julia, you have presented no proofs from the Islamic sources to back your arguments. Once you have done this, we can move on in the discussion.

      If you wish to comment on Islam, please reference it to the traditions from
      Which Islamic is derived and please move away from “i think this is what Islam is all about” which is dictated by a secular superiority complex that wishes to dominate, dictate and force itself on the world against the will of people.

      Once again, I reiterate, please back your Islamic arguments with evidences from the legal sources of Islam. Otherwise, like Cameron, you are not ‘Sheikh’ to tell us about our faith and what it ought to be to suit your own interests.

  4. Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
    quran 4:34

    Islam makes me the providers of the family …this ensure that more men than women will work and thus men will dominate most professions inncluding politics. You really didnt know this?

    As for homosexuals….sex outside marriage is forbidden in islam. In an islamic state it would thus be impossible for homosexuals to have a legal sexlife:

    Lawful in marriage are not only chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the people of Al-Kitab, revealed before your time, when you give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues. If anyone rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the hereafter he will be a loser.
    quran 5:5

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